Who in this clan is taking advatage of BikerDog?

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Completely ignorant and selfish behaviour. Not to mention exploitation of kindness (which is rare these days).

Get what they deserve.

WTF. that's just wrong. i think if this person really trying to screw bikerdog, we should all know who it is.

that's very low and disrespectful thing to do especially among your clan members.

[(TKC)-o]T3[o]

The person says he is going to pay soon.. lets just leave it at that for now.

Well considering everyone is wanting either be complete assholes, idiots or really have no clue what is going on i figured considering i actually have time to post something i will. So for those of you that think you are under this huge idea that it is your place to say something about my purchase to bikerdog and the inability to pay him yet shows that you are complete morons, what is between me and bikerdog is between me and bikerdog. when i purchased the computer i really wanted it for my wife and she wanted it too but we were unable to have the money upfront to pay, so it was bikerdogs idea to do the deferred payments. so at this point some of you are now feeling like complete asses and wishing you didnt say what you did, the other half is like you still are screwing bikerdog. to those here is something that might rattle your bird cages a little more, when my wife and i purchased the computer it was me that purchased it on behalf of my wife because she didnt want to do that because she wasnt a member. now at the time my wife was working a great job making extra money for us considering i was unable to find work (which about half of TKC either are unemployed or low income) so we were going to pay a set amount over a period of time including shipping which we both agreed to. not soon after we had an incident with social services in which i was no longer able to be the daycare for my kids, which means having to pay over $500 dollars a week without having assistance for it. which we didnt have because our state was on a shut down which hurt everyone, so after a while it came back up and we were able to get assistance for half the time my wife worked which still was costing over 250 a week. they refused to cover the daycare because i was still and able body adult to watch them even though another part of the goverment said i was unable to. so after time my wife was not seeing the end of the tunnel and she was running out of options in terms of extra daycare so she went to her job and talked to them before they fired her. everyone has agreed to allow her to leave with a good note because it wasnt her fault she couldnt be there it was mine and daycare assistance, so right after she got done signing that she was leaving our attorney called and said she found a loop hole that they need to cover the whole thing, problem is it was too late the job rushed through the process because they had already job canidates. so we were back to little income and now the inability to pay bikerdog which i contacted and told him the issues and we were trying to correct it. Wow a lot going on in a little over 1 months time so now a few more of you are going to be shutting your mouths and going well here is you dire strait, well it doesnt show any ray of sunlight yet guys because a month later my wife and i are arguing a lot because shit is getting completely out of control we arent able to have rules for fear of having them taken and now our decision to go to school together fail almost the social services puts on my wifes DHS record neglect and abuse and puts abuse on mine (well for those of you that dont know having those 2 words on your record prevents you from working in any nursing, teaching, pca or daycare worker) which my wifes job that she has had for 5-6 years is a pca job which means she will lose her job and will not be able to go and get her degree in nursing. so we try and fight it with everything we have going to lawyers, social services pleeing with them and the only thing that would remove that from her record is putting an Order For Protection or OFP and having me removed from the home by police escort, which as all of you know have read is what exactly what has been done and i am now having to live in a 10x10 room on a twin bed with no income to my name other than doing one concrete job today where i made 90 dollars and repay plum 40 dollars that he borrowed to me which left me with 50 dollars. now on top of it a few other things are inplace i am now forced to attend a male teaching lessons which cost 60 dollars the first time and 20 dollars everytime there after until the courts say i dont have to go anymore and i am now only able to see my kids via visitation. now even though i said that this post should be deleted before everyone decided to put their 2 cents and more, a lot of people are just mouthing off because they see someone barking about something that the main professional person in this corp said qoute "(the extension of deferred payment has not been terribly successful, so I have chosen to withdraw that option)" never stating anything negative or desire to start this, so if anyone of you thinks you are a man or a mature adult your completely wrong bikerdog is the only one the deserves that title, and i even recommended him for the Spirit of TKC months ago for being who he is. So if this what you wanted to hear this than fine, if not the only other thing i can do is leave TKC so if you guys want that make the decision now.

I can vouch for everything Dragon has said about not being able to see his kids. I have been a third party candidate for him a few times already just so he can see his kids. The first time I went so he could have visitation, one of his oldest boys kept saying "Thank You Mommy" like it was a gift for his father to be there. It was heart breaking to me to even hear that. Also, dragon has stayed at my place the last few nights cause Im trying to get him what little work I can with us.

Well, if this is in fact a member, I hope that the reason they HAVEN'T paid is due to dire straits cause it's really messed up to betray a trust, even over the internet.

^ I mean, I hate to find out your business like that dragon, I mean now I just feel like an arrogant douche nozzle, for assuming the worst even after hoping for the best >.< I guess all I can say now is I hope s*** works out in all perspectives, and all things pan out.. Sorry...

I accept the apology luni but yes people did want to find out regardless how they went about it, though if this would have been locked or deleted the knowledge of my life would still be mine i am not a guy to running asking for help so dont if i am still in the clan than just ignore my personal life considering i dont ask anyone of you if you are having marital problems or start harping on you because you cant make a simple payment to a bank or person. so if anyone is willing to learn anything from this is to stop your fingers for 10 seconds and actually think do i really want to try and invade this persons life either directly or indirectly.

I originally thought it was someone else. Your struggles are heartbreaking dragon I couldn't imagine how many people I'd murder if my kids were taken from me. We were under the impression that "the person screwing bikerdog" was SCREWING him over not making payment arrangments with him. From what you said you did the right thing by contacting Bikerdog and working something out and i commend you for that but if you were to find out someone was screwing a clan member out of some cash wouldn't you get angry? I didn't personally need an explanation as to why the person was not paying I just wanted that person to make an effort to pay or send the shit back and if that was not possible to get the F out of the clan because we don't need someone trying to screw over our friend and BIGGEST contributor, agreed? I don't mind you came on rather angry calling everyone names and such it's completely understandable that you'd be angry. But why would you be thinking that people wanted in on your life? That's not at all what anyone wanted, we wanted to make sure we didn't have a thief amongst friends. Well. . . . turns out we don't have a thief we've got a friend in need. If you need anything let me know Dragon I'd also be happy to ask my Dad some legal questions for you if you'd like (he's one of the top federal attorneys in the country). I don't believe in or pray to god but I will certainly be keeping you and your family in my thoughts and I hope that you will soon be reunited with your children. I hope we can still be friends Dragon, your one of the members I play with the most and I've looked at you as my BF mentor since damn near day one.

Your friend,
Nukem

I've really tried to stay out of this discussion because I didn't initiate it, and didn't want this to be a distraction to the group. I had sorta hoped it would just peter out and die.

But, at this point I feel I need to make a few salient, and factual points.

1. I did not expect that brief comment to create such a stir.

2. A large part of that comment was to force people to "think" about the financial impact of their decisions. I offer tremendous opportunities for people to get top notch hardware and near half price. It's real easy for someone to rationalize the expense, and can then easily over extend themselves. Especially when the payment terms are nebulous, and open ended. Then they get the stuff and then go "Oh shit! This hardware is awesome...but how am I going to pay for it?"

3. At no time did I ever make a complaint about payment to anyone. Not to the organization, nor to the individuals involved.

4. At no time did I throw anyone under the bus. (Not how I was raised)

5. Even in private discussions with T3 I made it clear that I would not divulge names in the context of non-payment. That was between me and the individual. It's the way I was raised. That's why he had to ask who it was.

6. Dragon shared his personal issue with me some months ago. I've never shared that information with anyone, not even my wife. A private discussion of very personal issues comes with an implied confidentiality. I'm an honorable man and would never violate that kind of trust.

7. I admire T3 for feeling that he had to right an apparent wrong. That shows you the kind of leader that he is. He doesn't, and won't, stand for a real or perceived wrong to go uncorrected on his watch.

8. Here is another awesome deal from the Old Dog....for anyone that still owes me money, I want you to donate it, in my name, to the TKC general fund. The money isn't that important to me as I have worked real hard to attain a very comfortable standard of living. But..... personal honor does mean something to me. This way we all win, the team wins, and everyone's honor is maintained.

I do want to thank everyone that wanted to make sure I wasn't taken advantage of....shows you the deep character of this fine group of people.

In closing, ......
I want to ask that anyone that has read Dragon's deeply personal declaration either forget you read it, or keep its knowledge in absolute confidence. That is a sensitive, private, and for obvious reasons, personally painful declaration for Dragon to make to his friends. I ask that you remember that we are all friends here, and friends pull together, not apart.

T3, my good friend, I would like to consider this matter closed, and this thread either locked, or deleted altogether.

Da Old Dog
BikerDog

Well considering everyone is wanting either be complete assholes, idiots or really have no clue what is going on i figured considering i actually have time to post something i will. So for those of you that think you are under this huge idea that it is your place to say something about my purchase to bikerdog and the inability to pay him yet shows that you are complete morons, what is between me and bikerdog is between me and bikerdog. when i purchased the computer i really wanted it for my wife and she wanted it too but we were unable to have the money upfront to pay, so it was bikerdogs idea to do the deferred payments. so at this point some of you are now feeling like complete asses and wishing you didnt say what you did, the other half is like you still are screwing bikerdog. to those here is something that might rattle your bird cages a little more, when my wife and i purchased the computer it was me that purchased it on behalf of my wife because she didnt want to do that because she wasnt a member. now at the time my wife was working a great job making extra money for us considering i was unable to find work (which about half of TKC either are unemployed or low income) so we were going to pay a set amount over a period of time including shipping which we both agreed to. not soon after we had an incident with social services in which i was no longer able to be the daycare for my kids, which means having to pay over $500 dollars a week without having assistance for it. which we didnt have because our state was on a shut down which hurt everyone, so after a while it came back up and we were able to get assistance for half the time my wife worked which still was costing over 250 a week. they refused to cover the daycare because i was still and able body adult to watch them even though another part of the goverment said i was unable to. so after time my wife was not seeing the end of the tunnel and she was running out of options in terms of extra daycare so she went to her job and talked to them before they fired her. everyone has agreed to allow her to leave with a good note because it wasnt her fault she couldnt be there it was mine and daycare assistance, so right after she got done signing that she was leaving our attorney called and said she found a loop hole that they need to cover the whole thing, problem is it was too late the job rushed through the process because they had already job canidates. so we were back to little income and now the inability to pay bikerdog which i contacted and told him the issues and we were trying to correct it. Wow a lot going on in a little over 1 months time so now a few more of you are going to be shutting your mouths and going well here is you dire strait, well it doesnt show any ray of sunlight yet guys because a month later my wife and i are arguing a lot because shit is getting completely out of control we arent able to have rules for fear of having them taken and now our decision to go to school together fail almost the social services puts on my wifes DHS record neglect and abuse and puts abuse on mine (well for those of you that dont know having those 2 words on your record prevents you from working in any nursing, teaching, pca or daycare worker) which my wifes job that she has had for 5-6 years is a pca job which means she will lose her job and will not be able to go and get her degree in nursing. so we try and fight it with everything we have going to lawyers, social services pleeing with them and the only thing that would remove that from her record is putting an Order For Protection or OFP and having me removed from the home by police escort, which as all of you know have read is what exactly what has been done and i am now having to live in a 10x10 room on a twin bed with no income to my name other than doing one concrete job today where i made 90 dollars and repay plum 40 dollars that he borrowed to me which left me with 50 dollars. now on top of it a few other things are inplace i am now forced to attend a male teaching lessons which cost 60 dollars the first time and 20 dollars everytime there after until the courts say i dont have to go anymore and i am now only able to see my kids via visitation. now even though i said that this post should be deleted before everyone decided to put their 2 cents and more, a lot of people are just mouthing off because they see someone barking about something that the main professional person in this corp said qoute "(the extension of deferred payment has not been terribly successful, so I have chosen to withdraw that option)" never stating anything negative or desire to start this, so if anyone of you thinks you are a man or a mature adult your completely wrong bikerdog is the only one the deserves that title, and i even recommended him for the Spirit of TKC months ago for being who he is. So if this what you wanted to hear this than fine, if not the only other thing i can do is leave TKC so if you guys want that make the decision now.

Wow this a lot going on and sorry to hear it. Times are tough and I know you are not the type of person to not pay-up. AND I do not want you to leave TKC, it wouldnt be fun not to have you around anymore, you have my full support. If you need ANYTHING AT ALL, dont be afraid to ask me, you can send me a private message if there is anything I can do to help you out at all.

awesome Bikerdog

Bikerdog, man, awesome just doesn't cut it as a word, how someone can handle things the way you do, is just... beyond it. To look past all financial aspects, and not even shrug a shoulder to it, and then to just say "Meh" and toss it to the clan? Dude +9001 internets. Seriously... deep respect... (not to sound like a babbling fool)

[(TKC)-o]T3[o]

I did my best to protect a clan mate and I will do the same in the future, count on it.

I did my best to protect a clan mate and I will do the same in the future, count on it.

Thanks T, keep it up.

T3, you devote a ton of personal time and effort to keep this organization running, and you did the right thing by any standards.

You certainly have my respect...and I don't give that out lightly.

BikerDog