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this guy has awesome parenting skills.


[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU&list=UU6OSygSHWSo4pbV5ttl2YPg&index=1&feature=plcp[/utube]

I'm not trying to defend the girl here, but i don't think this is the right thing for this father to be doing. I grew up in a hostile household that crated a lot of resentment between me and my parents for the first fourteen years of my life. Most of the things my parents(primarily my dad) did in the name of "discipline", only created a hostile home that damaged the relationship between me and my parents forever. Even though my parents are now divorced, and everyone is now trying to correct the things that happened during those fourteen years, the damage has been done and the relationship between me and my parents will never be 100% of what it should be, or as if i grew up in a constructive household. This is something no one should ever have to go through, and it is something i have to live the rest of my life with. While my parents never did something like this, publicly humiliating a child in front of not only her peers, but at this moment 14 million people on youtube, is going to create some amount of resentment between the father and his daughter. I guess im just trying to say that discipline should be something that is done privately, and in a constructive way.

Facebook, twitter, myspace social sewer network = New School
This Dad = Old School

In my dinosour opinion, we over indulge our kids with too much "stuff" and "freedoms". Until you're 18, for better or worse, you are "kinda" the charge of your parents.

I say "kinda" because in recent years, the federal nanny police state has done everything possible to undermine parental rights, but in the more rural "Old School" regions, some of the more traditional aspects still prevail.

The internet is not a right....it a a privilage a parent grants a child.
Child gets out of line - Parent gets child back in line.
He didn't shoot the child - he shot the mechanism she used to be rebellious.
Efectively symbolic in my opinion.

But then I'm and old school former knuckle buster and head knocker....

I honestly don't feel like I even fit in the new direction our country is headed.
I'm an unapologetic capitalist (capitalism built this country...its a good thing) and a believer in small government and equal opportunity.
Not the socialistic trend we've engaged in, coupled with the erosion of personal freedoms, redistribution of wealth, and government dictated opportunity.

I think this Dad got fed up, and taught his daughter a serious life lesson.
Air your dirty laundry in public forum and riducule your parents in front of the entire world = get disciplined in front of the entire world.

Guy should get father of the year.

But like I said, I'm hard core old school.

BikerDog

Aaaaaaand that was the reply I was looking for. Agree with you 100%

So child protective services shouldnt exist? Granted this isnt a case that doesnt appear to be in need of any intervention by CPS, and i dont think anyone is claiming that. But i am wondering what you mean with the "socialistic trend" we are heading in, as child protective services is a socialist idea. I guess thats the humanitarian in me speaking that if a child is being abused, we all have a responsibility to help the child and remove them from the situation, and the only way we can achieve this is through government action.

Well guys I am going to step in one bit here I see both points here, as some of you know i am personally dealing with CPS and they have interferred in my daily living. They have made all the goals except the main one unobtainable considering they don't really take consideration into the request they want. Their mandate is very precise on paper and in planning but through in workers, economy, enviroment and human error it just puts everyone back into the reason they were there in the first place. In your case cecil I have no clue how bad it was for you and i am sorry you had to go through it but what i am dealing with is very minimal. Biker is right about how they are pushing so many thing that kids get away with things so much that kids are killing other kids and others turning down the bad road. I for one personally wish my mother would have kick my butt more to be more motivated to succeed in life. We just need to realize parents are under every watchdog eye saying dont do this dont do that or you go to jail and we let these people raise your kids. so as one request from you guys is if you want to truly talk this out on here do so via PM so that we dont have a words flying causing everyone to be involved and pissed. Please and Thank You in advance for your understanding. We still can discuss this BTW without getting upset.

No, it's a good thing that CPS is there for bad cases, but it's coming to a point where they're interfering with a parent's right to discipline their child. I saw one case last year on the news where a mother got arrested and CPS took custody of her child because she was spanking her child for not listening to her. I believe that's the "socialistic trend" that BikerDog is talking about: Someone crying "ABUSE!" when a child is disciplined within reason, and causing the government sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong. It's crap like that which causes people to think if CPS really is good or not.

I know firsthand the effects of abuse...not from my own experience but from my girlfriend's. She had been abused mostly mentally and emotionally her entire life by BOTH her parents, and there was a bit of physical abuse involved. It got so bad that once she was 18 she felt like she was trapped and couldn't get free. My mom and I helped her get into one of those government abuse shelters for a few months until she had gained enough money from her job to get her own apartment, and she's doing a lot better now. It got so bad at one point that we almost called CPS for her younger sister, but it has gotten a LOT better since then.

CPS - a good concept, kind of ike the EPA, the Department of (re)education, and the DHS.

All good ideas ruined by people who are given a reasonabe mandate and then completely bastardize it by becoming over zealous and militant in their efforts to the point to becoming a problem in and of themselves.

I have seen, and read about, people who have had their lives ruined because CPS has without any facts, without any evidence, and without any corroboration, swooped in like the gestapo, seized childeren from the parents, and even arrested parents. People have lost their jobs, had their lives ruined, and had to pay exhorbatant amounts of money to lawyers to prove their innocence over unfounded allegations.

A more famous example of this is the NcMartin Pre-school case a few years back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

As with most things the Guvment does, it becomes a slippery slope of initial good intentions that go horribly wrong over time due to lack of oversight, and an unchecked ability to control and subjugate the little peons called citizens.

So, does CPS have a role to play in protecting children = Yes
Does it carry out its job with reason, and an intellectually honest amount of common sense = NO

I get pissed off every time I hear some politician pull out the ... "its all about the children", or "it will mean we will have to layoff Police and Firefighters if we can't raise taxes, or " We owe it to our teachers so we need to pass these proposals", or " these are draconian cuts that will gut our budget", "People have a right to <insert right of the week here> so we must raise taxes to pay for this right......seriously?

How many here know.....
What fiat money is?
What baseline budgeting is?
What the buzzword "cuts" really means?
What the FED's mandate is, or that they are currently buying US bonds with aforementioned fiat money to support QE1 and QE2 ?
What Quantitative Easing is?
What the Bretton Woods accords of 1944 decided?
What the international reserve currency is?
What the true definition of "Inflation" is, and then link that definition to QE1 and QE2 and think down the road at whats coming?
Who Edward Bernays is (Sigmund Freud's nephew)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Looking around the room, and before people have a chance to search the web, I don't see a lot of hands raised.....

It starts in the schools with an ideological agenda being shoved into the young minds full of mush.

Its about control, taxes, power, and money..... if you think otherwise, please wake the hell up and stop being so naive.

Did you know that bacon wasn't a breakfast food at one time? Didn't think so.....Bernays made bacon a breakfast food by minipulation of the herd mentality and the unwitting help of some doctors. Control and manipulation.
The bacon story is about half way down this article but variatiosn re all over the web.
http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/marketing-psychology.shtml

Famous quote by Bernays:


Our current administration, (and many before it going back to Woodrow Wilson), subscribes to the Edward Bernays and Saul Alinsky school of governance. (Obama actually taught a class on Alinsky at the University of Chicago) . A ruling elite dictating to the masses who are too ignorant and too busy just getting by day to day to know whats best for them. So those decisons need to made by others who are more intellectually gifted.

Just like the Government intervention via CPS in deciding how proper parenting should be done. This creates the broad brush, and eliminates the "reasoned common sense" I noted above.

I don't want to be a sheeple manipulated by the ruling elite...

The Fedral Governenment has a constitutional mandate to provide an army for our defense, maintain interstate commerce routes, and publish a common currncy. The States are supposed to be the laboratories of democratic experimentation, not the Federal Government.

Thats my unsolicited take.

BikerDog

Gotcha, it just want clear to me earlier as to what extent you guys thought parents rights were being violated(in general) or whether should be any social programs for it or not.

Fiat money is money that the government has complete control over, that isnt backed by anything, and it has value because they say it has value and we all trust it. The rest i dont know.

Cecil - you nailed the fiat money question.

Its absolutely true that our paper money has no real value. it only has value because it is commonly agreed that we will use it in conducting business. Thats it.

It became worthless when Nixon took us off the Gold Standard. It isn't backed by a damn thing.

Bretton Woods accords established the US dollar as the worlds "Reserve Currency". It is the ONLY reason we can print our way through our current mess. Example - When other countries buy oil on the open market, they have to make those transaction in US Dollars. This is our international leverage right now. But what if the world decided to use the Yen, or Yuan, or Euro for the reserve currency? Our Republic would be crushed by its own debt.

.......and there has been talk of establishing a new reserve currency in the last couple years with China nudging the ball forward.

We live in precarious times.

BikerDog

BikerDog

Not going to get into what has already been said other than to say, me and Biker are of the same mold....

The girl is a ungrateful little pain in the ace. She wants to be PAID! HA. They cloth her, give her a home, buy her what she needs and what she doesn't (including a $130 upgrade to her laptop), and she complains about being a servant. Well BOO HOO, CRY ME A RIVER BUTTHEAD! I have a 13 year old. I know the sense of entitlement they tend to have. Like they are owed something. Besides clothes (and it doesn't have to be the nice kind we spend way too much money on either), food, and health care, a parent really doesn't have to do much more than that. Everything else is a gift. My kid wears better shoes than me, has a WAY better phone than me, and usually wears better clothes than me. And when we're going out to eat and he doesn't get to go where he wants, he makes little comments such as "I never get my way".

I know it's said just about every generation but, wow, where is this country going to end up when these kids are in charge? It's already headed down the crapper as it is. This generations only contribution might be to grease the sides of the toilet with a little WD-40.

Just saw the video and it's awesome.

I would add some comments herebbut wouldn't be able to upstage biker who knows more than I thought about the goings on here on planet earth.

New evidence just in today highlighting the Federal Governments inability to apply "Intellectually honest common sense" .

And this is just the food police. Imagine how zealous and out of copntrol the EPA, DHS, or for that matter, the IRS is?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/preschoolers-homemade-lunch-replaced-with-nuggets/?test=latestnews

Soon we won't have any rights. They will all have been siphoned away.....one good intentioned legislation after another.

BikerDog

That poor laptop.

Government out of control, sticking it's nose into everyone's business while those who support a socialist agenda stand by and applaud.