The sad truth about our government...

"but it does get tiring that we have to hear those on the left constantly slamming it, and us."

You say "us" as if the people who fall to the right make up a vast majority of the states and national population of the United States of America. And what is the "left" anyways? From my studies, I've noticed the parties misuse the left/right spectrum of politics unjustly. For instance, when Republicans have, in the past and in the present, labeled many Progressive ideas as Communist or Socialist , in my opinion this was an act of using scare tactics to prevent the masses from agreeing with policies that were a threat to the neo-conservative system. Now, the old Republicans I speak of were from the late 1800's and early 1900's who believed firmly in laissez-faire capitalism, in modern terms deregulation. There were obviously other Republicans whose opinions did not fall under this concept, such as Theodore Roosevelt. Others looked toward tweaking the current governmental system slightly, in the direction toward political capitalism, which advocates that the government act as the fair mediator between the public and corporate worlds. Again obviously there are many Republicans of today that don't fall under the category of Neo-Cons but does that mean you may not be under their power structure spell? For, if you believe in thus power structure then you believe everybody falls under it. In my opinion, and that of many many other people who live right here in America, it is a small number of Republicans that had, through manipulation of their party through use of moral issues as well as the nation's fate toward a direction of murder and hatred, who control the part of the power structure that resides here in the US. Now, I understand Roosevelt was a believer and founding father of our country acting as a democratizer and police for the world, however, all great men have their faults. Roosevelt lived in a time where scientific racism was common among most whites and he, for the time, was open minded. Now, in this time of greater acceptance of the melting pot among the massed whites, by that I mean whites among the public, can we not escape the clutches of the elite? America brought the world closer to this in 1787 when the constitution was signed, but somehow the American dream thought of by our founding fathers, and other founders, turned into history repeating itself.

"Every single molecule is right." - The Flaming Lips

[(TKC)-o]T3[o]

"but it does get tiring that we have to hear those on the left constantly slamming it, and us."

You say "us" as if the people who fall to the right make up a vast majority of the states and national population of the United States of America. And what is the "left" anyways? From my studies, I've noticed the parties misuse the left/right spectrum of politics unjustly. For instance, when Republicans have, in the past and in the present, labeled many Progressive ideas as Communist or Socialist , in my opinion this was an act of using scare tactics to prevent the masses from agreeing with policies that were a threat to the neo-conservative system. Now, the old Republicans I speak of were from the late 1800's and early 1900's who believed firmly in laissez-faire capitalism, in modern terms deregulation. There were obviously other Republicans whose opinions did not fall under this concept, such as Theodore Roosevelt. Others looked toward tweaking the current governmental system slightly, in the direction toward political capitalism, which advocates that the government act as the fair mediator between the public and corporate worlds. Again obviously there are many Republicans of today that don't fall under the category of Neo-Cons but does that mean you may not be under their power structure spell? For, if you believe in thus power structure then you believe everybody falls under it. In my opinion, and that of many many other people who live right here in America, it is a small number of Republicans that had, through manipulation of their party through use of moral issues as well as the nation's fate toward a direction of murder and hatred, who control the part of the power structure that resides here in the US. Now, I understand Roosevelt was a believer and founding father of our country acting as a democratizer and police for the world, however, all great men have their faults. Roosevelt lived in a time where scientific racism was common among most whites and he, for the time, was open minded. Now, in this time of greater acceptance of the melting pot among the massed whites, by that I mean whites among the public, can we not escape the clutches of the elite? America brought the world closer to this in 1787 when the constitution was signed, but somehow the American dream thought of by our founding fathers, and other founders, turned into history repeating itself.

"Every single molecule is right." - The Flaming Lips

This country is right-center and always has been. Progressives/Liberals have always been the minority.

So you don't think it is socialist to nationalize the banking industry? You don't think it socialist to nationalize the auto industry? You don't think appointing 'czars' to watch over and govern the bonuses of private citizens is socialist? How about the attempt at nationalizing health care? How about those on the left who would bring back to the Fairness Doctrine in an attempt to silence conservative radio? How about the fact that class warfare seems to be the agenda of the day for the power hungry liberal? You know those with money are bad and should be punished. Bank executives and the oil industry should be taxed, fined, and treated unfairly because they are making too much money. Let's force our citizens to purchase health care insurance even if they don't want it by use of tax penalties.

To me those are some of the tent poles of socialism and the very definition of "soft tyranny".

Buying out the stocks of the auto-industry so that they can get back on their feet is not the government buying them out. It was a part of the bail out plan. A plan that I think was ridiculous in many ways. And did I say I was on the left? Where did I say I wanted to nationalize the banking system? I don't believe everyone in the Democratic party feels that way. However, providing a few rules and regulations on how a small minority of people can handle the investments of the vast majority of people, ie: our savings accounts and cd's, is not socialism. That is something new, because look what happened with the conservative laissez-faire capitalism, or deregulation, leading up to this new depression. You really think this recession/depression with an unemployment of 10 percent came from the 8 years of Clinton, whose policies were completely switched back to the Reagan/Bush Sr. ones by Bush Jr, and the year that Obama has been in office? HAHAHA! But that is what the Republican Party likes to do. And instead of coming up with answers of their own they just bash and bash and bash the Democrats who come up with NEW IDEAS because we are sick of the old ones that brought us into this crap situation. So if you want to keep your head in the gutter and feed into that big/small government bull crap then go for it. But I won't stand by and watch Republicans claim small government for economics and then enforce the Patriot Act on us and swarm other countries with our young men and women to murder civillians because they are not democratic, something our own country fails to meet.

And I agree that a great part of our country is conservative on moral issues. However, I believe that the Neo-Cons, those of our time would be Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld, have used these moral issues to keep the masses under a spell. How does deregulation help you out T3? How does giving a bunch of elitist and exceptionalist rich people, who probably were born into riches and therefore were lucky, no rules when handling our money benefit you or the nation T3?

On the other side of the coin, wouldn't not allowing these corporate tyrants the ability to gamble with our money be better for our investments? The government can regulate gambling in casinos why should it not be able to regulate gambling of stocks?

Edit: And that is not to say that there shouldn't be any gambling of stocks. If you want to gamble your money in the stock market then go for it, but don't do it with mine. That is why I believe the government should add the simple regulation of... if you are a bank then be a bank and if you are a hedge fund be a hedge fund. I don't want to unknowingly put my money into a bank that also acts as a hedge fund, they don't exactly advertise this when you walk into a bank, and then them gamble my money away. If I want my investment to be that risky then I give my money to a hedge fund and not deposit it into a cd.

Edit 2: Interesting article I found from 2006 http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/05/news/co ... /index.htm

[(TKC)-o]T3[o]

Buying out the stocks of the auto-industry so that they can get back on their feet is not the government buying them out. It was a part of the bail out plan. A plan that I think was ridiculous in many ways. And did I say I was on the left? Where did I say I wanted to nationalize the banking system? I don't believe everyone in the Democratic party feels that way. However, providing a few rules and regulations on how a small minority of people can handle the investments of the vast majority of people, ie: our savings accounts and cd's, is not socialism. That is something new, because look what happened with the conservative laissez-faire capitalism, or deregulation, leading up to this new depression. You really think this recession/depression with an unemployment of 10 percent came from the 8 years of Clinton, whose policies were completely switched back to the Reagan/Bush Sr. ones by Bush Jr, and the year that Obama has been in office? HAHAHA! But that is what the Republican Party likes to do. And instead of coming up with answers of their own they just bash and bash and bash the Democrats who come up with NEW IDEAS because we are sick of the old ones that brought us into this crap situation. So if you want to keep your head in the gutter and feed into that big/small government bull crap then go for it. But I won't stand by and watch Republicans claim small government for economics and then enforce the Patriot Act on us and swarm other countries with our young men and women to murder civillians because they are not democratic, something our own country fails to meet.

In all honesty I feel your grasp of the politics and history of it is based solely on your upbringing in New York and too much time spent in "higher education" where those who teach are largely far left loons.

I can see that you are incapable of fair and reasonable discourse i.e. "HAHAHA!" so I am now done with this conversation. Anyone who calls our military men and women murderers is not worth the time it takes to try to convince otherwise because it would ultimately be fruitless and a waste of time.

I think you would be more comfortable in Soviet Russia than in the USA.