The sad truth about our government...

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I never did see the video that started this thread, I don't know what it is, but I have stated already, several months ago now, no more political threads as they only lead to hard feelings.

Now to Gobbles comments..

His comments are obviously aimed at me, and Americans in general and include an attack on God and country. It is extremely uncalled for and unacceptable in the TKC community which is based on gaming, friendship with the idea of entertainment and escape from the bad crap we deal with daily. I find it very offensive and unfriendly. It's not even political, its personal and steps way over the line. It has no place in our community.

I never did see the video that started this thread, I don't know what it is, but I have stated already, several months ago now, no more political threads as they only lead to hard feelings.

aww but there's another one called "the day obamacare died" that i wanted to show

it's a spoof of "American Pie"

No no no ,it is not going to die bro. (Politic is strannge !)

aww but there's another one called "the day obamacare died" that i wanted to show

it's a spoof of "American Pie"

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I never did see the video that started this thread, I don't know what it is, but I have stated already, several months ago now, no more political threads as they only lead to hard feelings.

aww but there's another one called "the day obamacare died" that i wanted to show

it's a spoof of "American Pie"

Might as well post it here.. but if its going to set people off, best not post it.

this is why i don't follow politics :p

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No no no ,it is not going to die bro. (Politic is strannge !)

aww but there's another one called "the day obamacare died" that i wanted to show

it's a spoof of "American Pie"

Yeah, it's probably dead dude. It will be a hard sale to get Democrats to vote for it after what has happened in Mass, NJ, etc.

Politics it's a theme that will most likely end up in a fight it's the same thing as abortion,religion, aliens, ghosts..May be not ghosts or aliens...

Hello Everyone,

This is the first time I poat something so let's see how it goes.

I for one, I'm glad that the "free helthcare" proposition might actually go down in flames. because there is nothing "free" aobut it. In fact, if you have a job, you will pay for it in one way or anothre. and peopple who will benefit from it are those who can already pay for helthcare but don't want to. Fore example, My wife's parents have their own busines (they breed dogs) but they buy and sell under the table so none of the income they get is taxed, nor does the government know about. So when "Free Helthcare" comes around guess who is going to be standing in line to get it... you guessed it. And believe me this characters drive expensive cars, have huge house (used to, because they didn't plan for when the economy went down) and help no one but themselves. Unfortunatelly they are not the exception because California if full of people just like it. What's more, people think that the helth care that is now provided will be at least equl to "sociolized" hethcare but the government is already starting to set new (lower) standards to reduce the cost of helthcare (quality will be reduced too) think about new bresat exams standars just published by the government. Just think about the postal service and social security... If you think the government is doing a good job managing those two services, then you are sadly mistaken... Helthcare would be no exception it will be a huge mess.

In a more positive note, Helthcare does need to be reformed... no one should pay $50 for asprin, but this plan is not the answer, it might actually be worse. Also, there should be better screening processes to aid those people who really need it, not to those who seek to abuse it (and there are many of those outhere).

Well I better end it now, but I'm glad I got that off my chest...

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Hello Everyone,

This is the first time I poat something so let's see how it goes.

I for one, I'm glad that the "free helthcare" proposition might actually go down in flames. because there is nothing "free" aobut it. In fact, if you have a job, you will pay for it in one way or anothre. and peopple who will benefit from it are those who can already pay for helthcare but don't want to. Fore example, My wife's parents have their own busines (they breed dogs) but they buy and sell under the table so none of the income they get is taxed, nor does the government know about. So when "Free Helthcare" comes around guess who is going to be standing in line to get it... you guessed it. And believe me this characters drive expensive cars, have huge house (used to, because they didn't plan for when the economy went down) and help no one but themselves. Unfortunatelly they are not the exception because California if full of people just like it. What's more, people think that the helth care that is now provided will be at least equl to "sociolized" hethcare but the government is already starting to set new (lower) standards to reduce the cost of helthcare (quality will be reduced too) think about new bresat exams standars just published by the government. Just think about the postal service and social security... If you think the government is doing a good job managing those two services, then you are sadly mistaken... Helthcare would be no exception it will be a huge mess.

In a more positive note, Helthcare does need to be reformed... no one should pay $50 for asprin, but this plan is not the answer, it might actually be worse. Also, there should be better screening processes to aid those people who really need it, not to those who seek to abuse it (and there are many of those outhere).

Well I better end it now, but I'm glad I got that off my chest...

A first post what wasn't spam... welcome.

I agree with you about that bro.

Politics it's a theme that will most likely end up in a fight it's the same thing as abortion,religion, aliens, ghosts..May be not ghosts or aliens...

I never did see the video that started this thread, I don't know what it is, but I have stated already, several months ago now, no more political threads as they only lead to hard feelings.

aww but there's another one called "the day obamacare died" that i wanted to show

it's a spoof of "American Pie"

Might as well post it here.. but if its going to set people off, best not post it.

lol i doubt this will set anyone off, but ok.


[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpevc2t_Frw[/utube]

"profession help"
i think then the word youre looking for is "lobotomy"

Thank God that crap health care bill will probably die now, that's all I can say. All thanks to those Americans you have such little regard for.

the purpose should be to create a public option.. but you know whats best for others.. maybe you have a lot to be thankful for.. maybe your god made this happen.. maybe He never felt the need to test your faith with situations Relevant to this issue... its no wonder I have such little regard for most americans... the breadth of ignorance... height of hypocrisy... conduit of stupidity... all a macrocosm of it's people... good thing all empires fall.. i just hope china and russia cash their checks and your linoleum floors are replaced with pictures of chairman Mao and Vladimir Lenin.

Are you just out to offend all the Americans in this clan? I really see no other reason for the hate you are spewing.

I think it very likely you have some emotional issues that you need to deal with, please deal with them privately or seek professional help. No one should go through life angry and no one in this clan should have to read your degrading comments.

It is sad to say but, even as an American I can find much truth behind what Gobbles had to say. Hypocrisy is one of the first words I would use to describe this complicated country; a country filled with and whose history enjoyed much greatness of minds and intellectual breakthrough but always falls short of the true American dream (that of the majority of this country) because corporations (a very small minority in population but grand majority in wealth) too strongly influence politics. As Theodore Roosevelt suggested in 1910, shortly before campaigning for the election of 1912 when he beat out the more conservative and fellow Republican Party member Taft in popular votes but lost to the Democrat Party nominee Wilson, "It is necessary that such laws should be passed to prohibit the use of corporate funds directly or indirectly for political purposes; it is still more necessary that such laws should be thoroughly enforced." In that same speech Colonel Roosevelt said that "The true friend of property, the true conservative, is he who insists that property shall be the servant and not the master of the commonwealth; who insists that the creature of man's making shall be the servant and not the master of the man who made it." Most importantly, Roosevelt said "... our government, national and state, must be freed from the sinister influence or control of special interests... We must drive the special interests out of politics." The sad truth behind studying Roosevelt's speeches was that, when people say history repeats itself they really mean it.

Edit: Just heard a great quote while working out from System of a Down that pertains to this discussion: "The name of the game, the bottom line is money. Nobody gives a $#(%."

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I take it this was inspired by the supreme court overturning campaign spending rules. When taken into consideration state run media, which absolutely exists and is extremely liberal, unions, ACORN (a federally funded organization who's job is to influence elections and is also a liberal institution), I personally see this as a evening of the playing field at least as far as the financial aspect of the ruling goes of course, and probably more importantly, this ruling protects citizens rights to consume whatever they choose.

President Obama's Deputy Solicitor General, Malcolm Stewart, first argued the case "Hillary: The Movie" before the Supreme Court last March, Justice Samuel Alito asked him if the government could prohibit companies from publishing books. Stewart said that was indeed possible.

"If [the book] has one name, one use of a candidate’s name, it could be covered?” Chief Justice John Roberts then asked. And Stewart replied: “That’s correct.” “It’s a 500-page book, and at the end it says, so vote for X. The government could ban that?” Roberts asked. Again, Stewart said yes.

Point blank those arguing for President Obama are saying, we can ban books we don't like.

This of course all came about because a non-profit organization filmed a negative movie about Hilary Clinton when she was running to garner the votes needed to gain the Democratic nomination for President. Because of the law, which was just struck down, they were not allowed to advertise the movie because it was 'too political'. While those with a media exemption, such as Michael Moore, can do or say whatever they want, a "corporation" can't, or could not until now.

This was about freedom. Freedom to receive any information you want without interference from the government. Anyone should have the right to publish whatever they wish, supporting whoever they wish without government interference. At least that is my opinion.

America isn't perfect, but it does get tiring that we have to hear those on the left constantly slamming it, and us.

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BTW, I posted what I did to express my view which is not the same as some others, not to start a fight. Have a good weekend!